I have some Evolution crashes that accomplish that very nicely. MrLeadFoot said:. Click to expand The SunDog Guest. Pitch and mass are directly related although other factors, such as diameter, also affect pitch. Generally the higher mass equals higher pitch and lower mass equals lower pitch given that the diameter is the same. It may seem anti-intuitive, but that's physics.
Adding re-rings to a shell will significantly raise a drums fundamental. Should be, but it depends on the consistency of the manufacturer, and also the date. A Medium Thin from 20 years ago might be different from a newer one. Out of curiosity, do you play Sabians exclusively? Morrisman Platinum Member. Regarding thickness and pitch - the thicker cymbals are stiffer, so they vibrate faster, like tightening up a drumhead or a guitar string. I think the 18" thin would complement your older cymbals really well.
Morrisman said:. Supraman5x14 Member. I decided to give the A re-design a go, and bought a new 18" medium-thin crash. Not even close in terms of sound, shape, flex, and bell profile. It has a gong-y sound, and needs to be stuck harder to get it to open up. This, I think, has to do with weight, and the fact that it is flatter in profile. The bell is larger, and is, I think", what Mr. Francis at Zildjian refers to as, their "special bell," one he said he came up with years ago at the request of Armand Zildjian.
I heard him say this in a YouTube video. The bell, I believe, results in a "throatier" sound than my old one. All this makes me wonder why they changed the A line to begin with in , only to introduce the Avedis line shortly after that. I seem to really like this for now, but am seriously considering a Sabian 18" medium-thin as a suitable replacement for my "old faithful. With all due respect, because you know I dig you, but as facts go, the more mass the higher the pitch.
It's seemingly backwards. You said it yourself, they vibrate faster. More mass on a guitar string makes it vibrate slower. But a cymbal isn't supported like a guitar string - it supports itself, so the strength of a thicker cymbal cancels the extra weight.
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This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies. Just to confirm your theories, dark cymbals have a brooding stronger emphasis on lower tones, while bright cymbals sound crisper and focus on the higher frequencies. There are, however, a few discrepancies in the mix.
Cymbals have complex overtone structures, unlike a stringed instrument for example, which produces one clear note. A cymbal could potentially have a low fundamental pitch with emphasis on bright overtones. There are two layers to the question — pitch and timbre. The former is most often referred to when referencing bright or dark, but the two go hand in hand. Despite the more uncommon previous example, a cymbal will usually have a higher pitch with bright tones and a lower one with dark tones.
Why would you want a bright cymbal? These are great for cutting through a heavy mix or adding accents to your playing. Pop and rock players generally favour bright cymbals for their short decay and chimey punchiness.
To achieve the bright sound, the cymbals are generally on the smaller and thinner side of the design spectrum. This means they are responsive, direct and fade quickly after a hit. It does, however, vary from cymbal to cymbal. For example, a dry ride tends to be dark and fade fast. But this is just one exception to the rule of thumb.
One of the more noticeable factors when recognising a bright cymbal is its finish. Polished cymbals have a glistening shimmer to them and can add very subtle overtones which help cut through the rest of the kit.
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